In this podcast, Jonathan speaks to Michelle McCartan and Sarah Armitage who together run a company called Pure Potential.  They explore how the mind works and discuss their work in education and in engineering.  They delve deeper into what self-limiting beliefs are and how to not dive down that rabbit hole and have them impact on us.  They also discuss together the topic of whether the mind is simple or complex. Michelle and Sarah carry out wonderful work with teachers, teaching assistants and governors, themselves all having become learning explorers of the mind.  We discuss as how the teachers learn more about their minds, this translates to the experience of the children and young people they are teaching.